http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,255487,00.html
die EU haette sich mal vorher ueberlegen sollen wen sie an ihre Spitze
stellt. Das kann ja noch lustig werden...
greetings
judy
Judy Morgann wrote:
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,255487,00.html
> die EU haette sich mal vorher ueberlegen sollen wen sie an ihre Spitze
> stellt. Das kann ja noch lustig werden...
Nur Neid.
Die undisziplinierten Italjäner haben schon immer
neidvoll zu den strammen SS-Burschen aufgeschaut.
scnr, M.
Judy Morgann wrote:
> http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,255487,00.html
> die EU haette sich mal vorher ueberlegen sollen wen sie an ihre Spitze
> stellt. Das kann ja noch lustig werden...
Nur Neid.
Die undisziplinierten Italjäner haben schon immer
neidvoll zu den strammen SS-Burschen aufgeschaut.
scnr, M.
On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 14:25:48 +0200, Judy Morgann
wrote:
>http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,255487,00.html
>
>die EU haette sich mal vorher ueberlegen sollen wen sie an ihre Spitze
>stellt. Das kann ja noch lustig werden...
>
>greetings
>judy
Maybe my message is Off Topic but I think useful to send it.
Many excuses from an italian citizen to Mr. Schulz, to Germany and
German people for the unacceptable words of the european Prime
Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who - replying to Mr. Shulzs question or
provocation - made a stupid link between Mr. Schulz and the cruel
kapos of Nazis lagers, that for every intelligent man have obviously
nothing to do with today Germany.
Unfortunately, Mr. Berlusconi seems no more able to control himself: a
simple accuse (true or false, it does not mind) is enough for making
him go angry and behave in a way that EU parliament did not surely
deserve; this is simply what he usually does in italian parliament,
because in his a-political mind those who are not for/with him are not
simply against him but are against democracy (!) and can/must be
offended.
So, I am not worried because we italians and europeans have a prime
minister - Mr Berlusconi - who is the leader of a centre-right
coalition. In fact, who can imagine the past centre-right leaders
Helmut Kohl or Margareth Thatcher or Giulio Andreotti or today Aznar
and Chirac behave like this?
The problem is that he is not really educated and prepared for playing
such an important role correctly, while the cited ones were/are great
statesmen/women.
But we italians elected him, he seems so smart and smiling on tv
channels. And after all centre-left coalition was really so poor and
unable to work as a unique body.
Anyway, italian politician class is not the same sort of rubbish: for
example Mr. Fini would be a good and correct prime minister, even if I
would never vote him.
But Finis intelligence and analysis skills does not make impact on
italian tv spectators (more and more spectators instead of citizens
and electors) who prefer Berlusconis silly stories.
German friends, dont think too bad of Italy and italians for choosing
such a leader... We are victims of transformation of society caused by
20 years of culturally poor televisions (both commercial and public
ones), something that I fear will go on somewhere else in future.
An example: during last weeks I have seen on different german sat
channels during prime time a) a movie dedicated to Claudio Abbado, b)
a Berliners concert conducted by Ozawa, c) a Mozarts Don Giovanni
from Glyndebourne Festival... those shows would never be broadcasted
by italian televisions on prime time, except for a classical music
pay-tv. We have only rubbish on ours tv, real opium for our minds.
Guten tag
a sad italian
Il Thu, 03 Jul 2003 07:46:25 GMT, sad hai
postato:
>Many excuses from an italian citizen to Mr. Schulz, to Germany and
>German people for the unacceptable words of the european Prime
>Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who - replying to Mr. Shulzs question or
>provocation - made a stupid link between Mr. Schulz and the cruel
>kapos of Nazis lagers, that for every intelligent man have obviously
>nothing to do with today Germany.
>German friends, dont think too bad of Italy and italians for choosing
>such a leader... We are victims of transformation of society caused by
>20 years of culturally poor televisions (both commercial and public
>ones
> We have only rubbish on ours tv, real opium for our minds.
Whos posting now is another italian, 42, male, very angry with him
and very ashamed with you. My excuses too, you deserve them all, as we
didnt deserve a character like that puppet.
Eos schrieb:
>
> Il Thu, 03 Jul 2003 07:46:25 GMT, sad hai
> postato:
>
> >Many excuses from an italian citizen to Mr. Schulz, to Germany and
> >German people for the unacceptable words of the european Prime
> >Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who - replying to Mr. Shulzs question or
> >provocation - made a stupid link between Mr. Schulz and the cruel
> >kapos of Nazis lagers, that for every intelligent man have obviously
> >nothing to do with today Germany.
Many thanks to both of you for your input on that very disturbing
matter. Ive been wondering a lot how Berlusconi and his ilk managed
to get so many votes from the Italien people. I was talking to a few
who have voted for him. It seems to me they are deeply impressed by
the way he gained economic and political power. No matter that
Berlusconi has most obviously used illegal practices, is fooling the
legal system and even his voters, what counts is that he gets through
with it.
Thinking of the many political scandals that have occured in Bavaria
in the past and the following election results, it could well be that
the majority of the Bavarian people have quite a similar attitude.
I still hope that Berlusconi and his Casa delle Libertè get what they
deserve in the upcoming elections, so the Sme trial (and others) can
proceed. The court has definitely enough evidence to put Berlusconi in
jail like Previti.
Margret Chatwin
"sad" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:gd8DP4blHuThkhNMG1dPZD7xbf0u@4ax.com...
> Maybe my message is Off Topic but I think useful to send it.
Indeed it is, for various reasons, see below.
> Many excuses from an italian citizen to Mr. Schulz, to Germany and
> German people for the unacceptable words of the european Prime
> Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who - replying to Mr. Shulzs question or
> provocation - made a stupid link between Mr. Schulz and the cruel
> kapos of Nazis lagers, that for every intelligent man have obviously
> nothing to do with today Germany.
ACK. And for this reason only one man has reason to excuse, Mr Prime
Minister, for daring to tell such a violating nonsense into the face of the
Europe Union.
> Unfortunately, Mr. Berlusconi seems no more able to control himself: a
> simple accuse (true or false, it does not mind) is enough for making
> him go angry and behave in a way that EU parliament did not surely
> deserve; this is simply what he usually does in italian parliament,
> because in his a-political mind those who are not for/with him are not
> simply against him but are against democracy (!) and can/must be
> offended.
This method reminds me of another group of "modern democrats" in
another
great country, actually speaking of "new and old europe" or the
"coalition
of weazels". I guess, what Berlusconi did, is what "simple
speech" may grow
up to. The lack of self-control of simple man, who are unfortunately in a
position, which they dont really deserve and which they even dont
understand.
> So, I am not worried because we italians and europeans have a prime
> minister - Mr Berlusconi - who is the leader of a centre-right
> coalition. In fact, who can imagine the past centre-right leaders
> Helmut Kohl or Margareth Thatcher or Giulio Andreotti or today Aznar
> and Chirac behave like this?
> The problem is that he is not really educated and prepared for playing
> such an important role correctly...
...as e.g. Mr Bush IMHO is...
>..., while the cited ones were/are great
> statesmen/women.
Maybe a bit more than Berlusconi, yes...
> But we italians elected him, he seems so smart and smiling on tv
> channels. And after all centre-left coalition was really so poor and
> unable to work as a unique body.
This is the main reason I believe (from an outside view of course and
through the reports of the correspondents, who were asked by the german
broadcasters): The yearning for political stability.
> Anyway, italian politician class is not the same sort of rubbish: for
> example Mr. Fini would be a good and correct prime minister, even if I
> would never vote him.
> But Finis intelligence and analysis skills does not make impact on
> italian tv spectators (more and more spectators instead of citizens
> and electors) who prefer Berlusconis silly stories.
...which he can easily provide and broadcast. In Germany we had this period
with "Dr" (he really bears this title, but with poor reason...)
Helmut Kohl.
There were Newspapers ("Der SPIEGEL") and TV Stations (ARD, the
biggest
public one in germany), he really hated; he prohibited his ministers from
reading the SPIEGEL for example. On the other side, Mr Leo Kirch, a very
good friend of Mr Berlusconi as well, was promoted by Helmut Kohl in a nasty
way. The latest news to this issue was, that Mr Kohl got a "special
consulting fee" (600.000 Euro) from Mr Kirch after his governmental time.
> German friends, dont think too bad of Italy and italians for choosing
> such a leader...
Dont worry. Well still love Italy and the italians in spite of Mr
Berlusconi. I guess, that the friendship of this two members of the true
"old yurop" is actually much deeper than a Berlusconi could destroy
which
his silly speeches.
> We are victims of transformation of society caused by
> 20 years of culturally poor televisions (both commercial and public
> ones), something that I fear will go on somewhere else in future.
And I hope that german politicians and media controllers will take this as a
warning for the future too.
> An example: during last weeks I have seen on different german sat
> channels during prime time a) a movie dedicated to Claudio Abbado, b)
> a Berliners concert conducted by Ozawa, c) a Mozarts Don Giovanni
> from Glyndebourne Festival... those shows would never be broadcasted
> by italian televisions on prime time, except for a classical music
> pay-tv. We have only rubbish on ours tv, real opium for our minds.
Indeed there are good (most public) television channels, cultural and
political ones, in germany, but there are also vast numbers of rubbish ones,
which are IMHO part of the reason for the poor german ranking at the PISA
school contest.
Best regards
Albert Fischer